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04/02/2012 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION


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08:02:08 AM Start
08:03:10 AM Confirmation Hearing: Ua Board of Regents
08:21:11 AM Department of Education and Early Development Report
08:55:11 AM Adjourn
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Early Development
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 2, 2012                                                                                          
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Joe Thomas, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Bettye Davis, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                            
     UA Board of Regents                                                                                                      
          Dale Anderson - Juneau                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                     
REPORT BY COMMISSIONER MIKE HANLEY                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DALE ANDERSON, Appointee                                                                                                        
University of Alaska Board of Regents                                                                                           
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Alaska Board                                                                
of Regents.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MIKE HANLEY, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented DEED report.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:02:08 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  KEVIN  MEYER  called   the  Senate  Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 8:02  a.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Stevens, Thomas,  and Myer.  Senators French                                                               
and Davis arrived soon thereafter.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^ Confirmation Hearing: UA Board of Regents                                                                                     
           Confirmation Hearing: UA Board of Regents                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:03:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER  announced the  first order  of business  would be                                                               
the confirmation  hearing of Dale  Anderson to the  University of                                                               
Alaska (UA) Board  of Regents. He asked Mr. Anderson  to tell the                                                               
committee about himself and his interest in serving.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:03:56 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH joined the meeting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DALE ANDERSON, Appointee, University  of Alaska Board of Regents,                                                               
said he  grew up and  attended school in Juneau  and subsequently                                                               
graduated  from Oral  Roberts University  in Tulsa  Oklahoma. His                                                               
work experience in both the  public and private sector provided a                                                               
wide body  of life experiences  and different  perspectives would                                                               
add to the board deliberations. He  relayed that he had worked in                                                               
the financial  services industry  for the  past 10  years. Before                                                               
that, he  served as a  legislative aide, as commissioner  for the                                                               
Limited  Entry  Commission, and  as  a  member  of the  City  and                                                               
Borough of Juneau Assembly.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:05:03 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DAVIS joined the meeting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  asked what university issues  or problems needed                                                               
attention in the next few years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  answered  that  he  would like  to  build  on  the                                                               
progress  he  had seen  with  regard  to the  university  working                                                               
together  as a  whole; in  the past  there appeared  to be  undue                                                               
competition between the  campuses. He would also  like to address                                                               
graduation  timelines, because  that added  a lot  of cost  to an                                                               
education. Another  area of interest was  unification of programs                                                               
and  ensuring  that the  courses  offered  were meeting  industry                                                               
needs  and  requirements  for  jobs.  He  specifically  mentioned                                                               
engineering and fisheries  jobs. The number of  students who need                                                               
remedial classes was another big picture issue to address.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:10:30 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  what his  views  were on  student aid  and                                                               
whether the state did enough to make college affordable.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON responded that it  was very important to ensure that                                                               
getting  an education  was affordable  for  Alaskan students.  He                                                               
said there  should be a way  of providing financial aid  to those                                                               
students who need it and were qualified.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  said it  was troubling  that young  Alaskans were                                                               
being  saddled  with  huge  education  debt  that  could  not  be                                                               
discharged even though the state  had ample resources to help. He                                                               
expressed hope  that Mr. Anderson  would use his position  on the                                                               
Board of Regents to advocate for more state aid for students.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON said  he looked forward to working  together on that                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS  asked  if  UA   should  expand  its  role  with                                                               
industries   that  supply   so   much  revenue   to  the   state,                                                               
particularly oil, fishing, and tourism.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON offered  his belief  that industry  trade education                                                               
was one of  the most important aspects of  the university's role.                                                               
He  said  he  was  a  strong  advocate  of  trade  education  and                                                               
emphasized  the importance  of developing  effective partnerships                                                               
between DEED, the university, industry,  and communities in order                                                               
to put young Alaskans into the workforce.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:17:02 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER found no objection  and stated that Mr. Anderson's                                                               
name would be  forwarded to the joint body  for consideration. He                                                               
reminded members that  this did not reflect intent  by any member                                                               
to vote  either for  or against the  confirmation of  the nominee                                                               
during the joint session.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:17:39 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease from 8:17 a.m. to 8:18.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^ Department of Education and Early Development Report                                                                          
      Department of Education and Early Development Report                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  announced the next  order of business would  be a                                                               
report  from Commissioner  Mike Hanley.  He highlighted  that the                                                               
Anchorage  School  District  recently  adopted  the  Common  Core                                                               
Standards for  curricula, and asked Commissioner  Hanley why DEED                                                               
developed and  was proposing different  standards for  Alaska. He                                                               
noted  that the  Chair of  the House  Education Committee  opined                                                               
that one reason for the high  dropout rate was relevance and that                                                               
even  the  Common Core  Standards  focus  on  the 30  percent  of                                                               
students who go on to college.  He asked if the current standards                                                               
focus on the  elite 10-15 percent of students that  go to college                                                               
and ignore, in particular, the 30 percent that drop out.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:21:11 AM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  HANLEY, Commissioner,  Department  of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development (DEED),  explained that the dropout  rate is computed                                                               
on  an annual  basis and  the graduation  rate is  the cohort  of                                                               
ninth  graders that  graduate  in four  years.  In an  apples-to-                                                               
apples comparison, the  dropout rate is about 20  percent and the                                                               
graduation  rate  is  about  68 percent.  Fifth  and  sixth  year                                                               
seniors are  not counted in  the graduation rate and  neither are                                                               
students  with severe  cognitive difficulties  who transition  to                                                               
life  skills  after   four  years  or  students   who  receive  a                                                               
certificate of achievement.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked how the  dropout rate in Alaska compared to                                                               
national statistics.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  acknowledged  that Alaska  had  a  slightly                                                               
higher dropout rate than the national average.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  said  that when  he  came  to  the commissioner  position  he                                                               
questioned  why Alaska  was not  going to  adopt the  Common Core                                                               
Standards, which  were developed  by the  Council of  Chief State                                                               
School Officers (CCSSO).  He learned that one of  the key reasons                                                               
was  that the  Common Core  Standards were  very rigid  and could                                                               
only be  added to  up to 15  percent. Nevertheless,  the proposed                                                               
Alaska Standards heavily reference  the Common Core Standards. He                                                               
said  his  instructions  were  to   make  sure  that  the  Alaska                                                               
Standards did  not drop below  the level of rigor  represented in                                                               
the  common  core.  The  result   is  that  the  proposed  Alaska                                                               
Standards  are  more   similar  than  not  to   the  Common  Core                                                               
Standards, but they are more flexible.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said the  CCSSO recently conducted a  side-by-side analysis of                                                               
the Alaska  Standards and  the Common  Core Standards  and agreed                                                               
that they  were very  similar and equal  in rigor.  The standards                                                               
are sufficiently  similar that  Alaska should  be able  to access                                                               
commercial curricula  and assessments  that are aligned  with and                                                               
developed for the common core.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY reviewed some  of the differences between the                                                               
two standards.  Alaska Standards  have patterning skills  in math                                                               
in first  and second  grade instead of  starting at  third grade.                                                               
Some  of  the  common  core  examples were  changed  to  be  more                                                               
relevant to  Alaskans; travel by  sled dog, for  example, instead                                                               
of by trolley.  He emphasized that the  standards are essentially                                                               
the same, but the Alaska Standards provide flexibility.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:27:47 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MEYER   asked  if   adopting  the   national  standards                                                               
precluded the Anchorage School District  from making any changes,                                                               
and if that was cause for concern.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered that it  was not a  concern because                                                               
every school district was responsible  for aligning its curricula                                                               
to the  state standards and assessing  according those standards.                                                               
He noted  that three other  school districts were  moving towards                                                               
the Common Core Standards.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  asked if  business, unions,  and the  trades were                                                               
represented when the state developed its standards.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY said that DEED  solicited input from about 40                                                               
organizations across the state and  about six actually stuck with                                                               
it provided ideas. DEED sent the  standards to the state board in                                                               
December  and  asked  for  an  extended  public  comment  period.                                                               
Meetings are  scheduled statewide  so that businesses  can review                                                               
the standards and  provide input, all of which  will be presented                                                               
to the State Board of Education.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:32:04 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DAVIS  said it  was her understanding  that a  state that                                                               
did not adopt  the Common Core Standards would  be precluded from                                                               
receiving any assessment data.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  said  DEED  attends  the  meetings  of  the                                                               
consortia,  but cannot  vote in  the  development of  assessments                                                               
because  Alaska is  not a  common core  state. He  said he  fully                                                               
anticipates  that the  state will  be  able to  access that  data                                                               
because the program  was developed with federal  funds for states                                                               
to use.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS questioned  why DEED did not adopt  the Common Core                                                               
Standards if  the two  were substantially  similar and  the state                                                               
could make 15  percent upward changes. She noted  that Alaska was                                                               
in  the  small  minority  of  states that  had  not  adopted  the                                                               
national standards.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY acknowledged  that  Alaska was  one of  five                                                               
states that had not adopted  the Common Core Standards. DEED felt                                                               
the  changes,  such as  including  patterning  in the  first  and                                                               
second grades  were important, but  they were not the  15 percent                                                               
upward changes. He  reiterated his belief that  Alaska would have                                                               
access to everything  that the common core  curricula would offer                                                               
and allow adjustments to the standards as needed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS asked  if the  standards would  be implemented  in                                                               
2015.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY responded that  if the standards were adopted                                                               
in June, they  would go to the school districts  in the fall; the                                                               
same time that the Anchorage  School District would implement the                                                               
Common Core Standards.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS asked  what  support the  teachers  and staff  had                                                               
received to help adapt to the new standards.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY said  it  was difficult  to  put funding  in                                                               
place for training when the standards  had yet to be adopted, but                                                               
he did agree  that it was critical to fund  training for teachers                                                               
statewide. The  new standards  raised the  bar for  both students                                                               
and teachers.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:37:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  reviewed the  high school  mathematics standards                                                               
that  included  knowledge  of the  properties  of  dilation,  and                                                               
emphasized the importance of relevance.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said that concern  was one reason  that DEED                                                               
was doing so much focused work  with employers. He noted that the                                                               
standards that had  a plus alongside indicated it  was a standard                                                               
for those students who intend  to continue in a particular track.                                                               
He acknowledged  that DEED  may add  a few  more pluses,  but the                                                               
strength  of  the  standards  was that  they  were  designed  for                                                               
alignment for K-12  and they would provide more  than base skills                                                               
for one career path.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:42:52 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  said he  understood the  need to  set standards,                                                               
but he hoped that they would be  practical and not be a cause for                                                               
students to become discouraged.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said relevance  comes in the  classroom with                                                               
the  curriculum.  The  standards  represent the  target  and  the                                                               
curriculum is the vehicle for attaining the goal.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  who  had  the final  say  on adopting  the                                                               
standards.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY replied the State Board of Education.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked when the decision would be made.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered that the last  public comment would                                                               
be May 17 and the board meeting would be on June 8 and 9.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if he  thought the state board  would adopt                                                               
standards that  were different than the  Anchorage standards, for                                                               
example.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY responded that  the Anchorage School District                                                               
was adopting  the Common Core  Standards and he  anticipated that                                                               
the State Board of Education would  make a decision on whether or                                                               
not to adopt the proposed Alaska Standards.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  cautioned  that attempts  to  "Alaskanize"  the                                                               
standards may  be more difficult  than anticipated.  For example,                                                               
changing a question about trollies to  one about sled dogs may be                                                               
equally  incomprehensible to  some students.  Kids in  Kodiak may                                                               
not understand either reference.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:47:26 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked if the  University of Alaska  was adapting                                                               
its  teacher certification  programs to  align with  the proposed                                                               
Alaska Standards.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered that the DEED  was working directly                                                               
with  the university,  and President  Gamble had  voiced support.                                                               
The  Institute of  Social and  Economic Research  (CAEPR) at  the                                                               
university was  vetting the proposed Alaska  standards, comparing                                                               
them to  the credit-bearing courses required  in the university's                                                               
two  and four-year  programs. The  State Board  of Education  was                                                               
scheduled  to  meet  with  the  Board  of  Regents  in  June  and                                                               
conversations  about teacher  preparation  programs  were on  the                                                               
agenda.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS asked how many students there were statewide.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that there were about 130,000.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked if the  distinction of the 30 percent number                                                               
was that it included both students  who dropped out of school and                                                               
students who for  a variety of reasons did not  receive a diploma                                                               
after four years.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said yes. He  added that he views  fifth and                                                               
sixth year seniors  as success stories, but they  are not counted                                                               
in the graduation rate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  asked if  the public  comments would  be available                                                               
for review.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered yes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:51:22 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER  mentioned the proposal  the committee  heard from                                                               
CAEPR at the last meeting,  and asked if the administration might                                                               
be interested  in funding a  UA Institute of Social  and Economic                                                               
Research  (ISER)  study  to  look   at  different  ways  to  fund                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said he reviewed the  testimony and handouts                                                               
and was concerned  that the study suggested  a formulaic approach                                                               
that did not include new research,  because it might not give the                                                               
right picture. He relayed that  he was meeting with Dr. Hirshberg                                                               
today  and  intended to  raise  those  questions. He  offered  to                                                               
provide feedback after the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER said the committee would like the feedback.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:55:11 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  found  no  further  questions  or  comments  and                                                               
adjourned  the Senate  Education  Standing  Committee meeting  at                                                               
8:55 a.m.                                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Board of Regents Nominee -- Dale Anderson.pdf SEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
UA Board of Regents Nominee Resume
Alaska Education Standards Info.pdf SEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
Alaska Education Standards
National Common Core Standards Info.pdf SEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
Common Core Standards Info (1)
National Common Core Standards Info 2.pdf SEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
Common Core Info (2)